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Episode 3 · 4 years ago

Brian Perron's vision for a mission in the city

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

This conversation with Brian Perron, the leader behind Verdun’s Church of the Epiphany comes from my archives. Loved Brian’s definition of being Canadian: “Freedom, the chance to do what we want and the chance to make something of ourselves and bring other people along.” For more information, refer to the show notes at: https://traceyarial.com/blog/brian_perron/. Note: Since this episode aired, Brian has moved to St-Barnabas Anglican Church in Saint Lambert.

But thanks for coming to see us at my name is tray Sierril and I am an apologetically Canadian. For my third podcast I'm going to bring you a an archival conversation with Reverend Brian Perron. Peon is the minister at Verdun's Church of the epiphany and he's been there since late two thousand and fifteen. We spoke about a year and a half later before all of the things that he talks about in this conversation take place. So since then the reclaim literacy foundation has set up their lifelong learning center in the building. Any it a shot. The first Indook Minister in Montreal has moved her mission there and they've got all sorts of other you know, a book club and knitting and lunches and...

...all sorts of wonderful things. I encourage you to listen to our conversation and if you find the noise a little bit worrisome, going about minute eight we moved to a quieter spot and the conversation from that point on doesn't have any noise. But I think it's all worth it and I hope you enjoy it. So I was here as a student working Patrick and really church that just come to get out here. So and the renovations have been done. So I came after the dust intime, because at the time people were saying, well, you see the three congregations, and I never saw them as three congregations, I saw them as one. My wife and I, we had such a wonderful time here. We were called to go up to town them of oils. Okay, but you never know where you're going to end up. We were always drawn to and then one day we heard this strange news that trick was leaving to go to Saint Le Biats, and so I thought, oh well, it could be. Then you've got to go through all the mechanics. Anyway, a long story short, here I am and you arrived with what Bucks October twenty one, October over the eighteen by started and...

...it was that week, the week before we'd Wendy. It said, Oh, we're renting the space out, and I said we have to go, and I think it was the green peace because I think a debate for the federal elections. Oh, so I quickly printed up business cards and I came here and hanging about. Even one of the politicians came in and we went upstairs and we walked around and even crank again and he felt peace. He won, but it was just a great time of just meeting the people and getting together with their friends, from prosy palate to every so often they have a sank a set so down at the Benny lucks or the coffee shop and getting involved in meeting people and then opening up with this buildings and people to come in and share fos. Tell me about the monthly lunches and then we'll about play. Well, even three four years ago, Patrick said let's have...

...a monthly lunch and he had worked out with one of the missions that were giving out food and they realize third time, well, this is something we could do. Patrick and the church decide they were going to do the lunch. So all these years, every Thursday for Thursday of the month, Thursday, they whatever they can find, whatever they can buy, they P do this lunch and now we're feeding eighty five. Come on, we're seeing now we're seeing regulars and this has been in PLA. The monthly lunch has been a place for the whole three years, at least three to four years, Jeff, and then one day boy came in. She said she's doing a lunch on Monday's at a particular place. It wouldn't could you do it here? And so we said sure. Now is a time where the people that I met people knowing where we want to go. It's coming together even okay,...

...before going to what's going to happen. Earlier, when we were talking about your maybe you pick connect. Why that's give you a bigger vision for what's happening here. I think because there's some need. There's a need of people to receive. There's a tremendous need of people to give, but they don't know who to give to, how to give and at what point to give up their time and their energy and their experts. And sometimes people need to be able to do something different, but they still want to do with whatever their expert if you're in a restaurant, sure you don't want to be necessarily doing these same kind of work mentors. So you can suppress that passion. So, as I was in the business world years, how can I take that and express that US or working with man's groups? So how do we bring people together that have a passion something like meeting cooking to a sector...

...where it's almost becomes the great big shopping center for all this kind of stuff. Welcome. All mission used to be in some mission and when the wind would come in with your kids, they would have to get rid of the men and rearrange everything and they said this doesn't work. So with these, ended up doing was building buildings and creating new buildings so that they were specialized. So what this past year has been is discerning our specialization that will happen over the next year, which is a teaching, learning, coming together community of sharing resources that they come intitially work. Somebody ask me once what is the future for epiphany and so formal perfective of a pastor thought. Well, within two to five years we need to have at least four to five ministers, necessarily pris, but ministers, pastors, people who are involved full time in eat form of minister, whether Youth Ministry, AD't ministry, Rung Adam in the Group homelessness, solid form of bringing ministry and Caring for the people and in that queasy world, the church, because it is not possible to...

...roll organization of one person. You start a business as one person, but you start giving things off and you also, by bringing in those four or five other pastors, you bring four or five other pross? I don't but it's recognizing the various needs and talents, bringing all those together with build a very strong building, perfect location for where we are. Okay, were you already have second music? Well, was the a an Organis now we have a minister of music because he plays the organ, he plays Academy, can play all kinds of instruments and is the head of a group called together few thousands, and singing group that was came together a year two thousands. So they called us together a few thousand, and it's a group of singers from various churches, different denominations, that come together and they sing, they do vapid horses. They also do some acting. And now that's on the so...

...short and what I'd like to do here in we're done is we often were doing to Whi are get involved in a choir. There's a group in New York called quickty five alive or a live ety five plus, where they have come together many people who have won all the some kind of theater or music or entertainment, but they didn't get the break. But they have find this talent. So how do we recognize as town bringing together so that on a Thursday night. They look forward to getting together with other people's singing idents. In that education, in that coming together, people find themselves in the financials. They can then mentor other people. So we build up one group of people, may begin building up another group. So it's a pastor. I can bring build up a certain amount of people, but as five pastors, each in our own way, will be able to bring into grow so that this building continues to grow within in every passing as a teaching, learning church.

Now we had up to the second floor to check out a part that Brian Dreams of changing. Maybe maybe be on internet or not, just be at pieces. The music, the lighting, adjust a little bit distance. They feel a little bit quiet and it's busy, susy city. They want noise. I can go downstairs because it was noisy down there and it's fun and people. Sometimes you need to meet somebody to talk with. Sometimes you just need to be quiet by yourself or with it whatever, and so that's what we'd like to do here, although we these are storage areas. That would this is here there's a little staircase. He goes up here. There's a little room with windows out into the street and it's really just a storage area. But imagine if that was a windows would put in the people who go into the wall just sit and you can hear the people going by on the street and of course we window it all to make it safe and windows down into the staircase. But it would be around the font because we're not moving the phone right and of course that's why we would call the second because...

...you've got the door right there. They can actually come off the street if they want to. Where they can go. We have two front doors and we have a wheelchair access on the side to come up, sit and be quiet. And of course we need resource because you can't just leave people right. But this is a bit of enough of the space, especially once this is cleared out. I saw a picture the other day and they were not there, because I just never I've always seen that there. Right. It's a beautiful space. You start getting your things, beautiful space for like a little Cap Bay and even after the service would be put the service people's come and sit and yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Talking about it makes me think of there's a fellow that I interviewed for the my trail our last last March. I guess and he is into ference with them. He gives to mental health research and they have a new program called for theyy're bringing something that...

...happens in Australia, which are these little cafes, but they have health people in them so that they can identify youth with mental health problems when it's early enough to actually get that. It's called access here. There's going to be one opening up Indoor Vale. There's one opening up with the Douglas. You may want to connect with them and see if that can be part of your program because it's just a wonderful idea. By having open, easy space for people to come and yet having just enough resources so that there's someone who recognizes signs of trouble when before it's actually a problem. That kind of a resource, because even I have also down and if it starts at the moon, I'm usually they're like forty five minutes ahead of time, because you walk in and you see people, some of just sit sitting in quietly, and it's again a recognizing the need and be open to recognize the need. Very awesome. It's by their shoulders or by the eyes, and so if you can connect by their eyes you can get a sense into what's happening with them.

I used to do because them propostal training in the hospital. I walk up and on the house, the halls, and I look into just various rooms and I would connect with their eyes and, as one person, I looked at their eyes and they were looking straight at me and I looked at the report and said he didn't want have anything to do with any clergy, but I was drawn. I walked by the room twice just to make sure, and I went in and I said Hi, I'm here to see song. Said you know where he is, and of which was true. He said, well, he's off on test and I said, how are you doing to races this it? Can I come in? He says Yay, says I'm a special day to day. Two years ago to today, my wife died of cancer and using his fort and he says, you may have heard, and this is a tough story, okay, but just shows right. But being aware, and which was such a lesson to me to listen to them still small boys did you may have heard three weeks ago they found a boy murdered in a swimming pool. That was my soul thinking. I remembered hearing it okay, and I'm thinking, why have I come in here?...

Who am I to offer any kind of advice or help to this person? Well, start to talk a little bit about and then he says my but my two girls there with my mother right now, and so when I get better I'll be able to take it my little girl once. My Wife's Harley Davidson, and so you drive hardly, he says. All we had my wife and I would always to require it. This is my brother's heart, and so I came this club, bought an Audi TT roadster. He says, really, I have a BMW Z for I Sah, I love European cars. I used to drive sauce us is really? He says, I had a one thousand, nine hundred and ninety three. I said not a nine thousand. He says, yeah, black with dark tennis. And Yeah, me too, but I traded it for ninety six, not green with light tennis. Said yes, and then we talked about his corvette. I said I have a corps. I have a seven six corvette right ready's all the Lee too. I said Yeah. So we went through all of this. I said you getting tired. Can We pray? He says yes, I like that. So I close my eyes and I lifted my hand and grass hand tight and we pray together. Wow, and so little less connecting.

And there's so many people that had walked by that room and I've heard of other people walking through the were supposedly a strugal trainers except and it just and so how can we be open so that when somebody comes in in need, who don't know even know how to express their needs, whether it's for food, whether it's for education or whether it's just for a love or just a place where they can speak to somebody used to do any reports for people like pc grow particle project clients with comments. Okay, it's time for the lunch, Bryan. So I take them out for lunch and there's in five minutes they were talking to other personal line, reaching out. And that's one of the things that led me to become a priest and minister. Pastor was working with welcome home missions. Thinking about this would be anything to do. I retire. I retired to fifty two. That quit and I thought I could run a mission. Amazing how I went for running a mission to working in the hospital, to working in Paris is to propel them to work a...

...missions and now I'm at a church that is a mission. Lord works in mysterious how are you? Sixty one, fifty, wow, I started seminary fifty two. was five years old time. Some of the wow I was gonna say, you drop up and I did a pair in the gool when I was in high school and my friends, we knew the guys going in the guild, me and my buddies. So even that is but I bought the head when I graduated. I went and bought myself a hat and even worked in. Today I wear that the guild cat because why, wonderfully that the last thing I have, which is the question I ask everyone, is do you consider yourself a Canadian? Yeah, and what does it mean to you? Freedom, chance to do anything we want, to make something of ourselves and to bring other people along in our wake. Lovely. Thank you very much. It's great to you, Brian. Well, it's been great.

Thank you for listening to an apologetically Canadian. This episode was brought to you by Lufa, Montreal's rooftop garden operator. Use My code, Tia five thousand, one hundred and seven, to get a weekly vegetable basket and we'll both get ten dollars off one delivery.

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