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Episode 30 · 2 years ago

Evolve with Evelyn

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Just before the holidays, I got the chance to interview Evelyn Huynh, wellness lifestyle and business coach who moved her business from Ottawa to Los Angeles last year. In addition to describing her entrepreneurial journey so far, and commiserating on the importance of empowering women, Evelyn briefly outlined her EVOLVE coaching method, which inspired me as I finalize the year's strategic plan.

Evelyn has the kindest definition for being Canadian that I've ever heard. Check out the show notes at https://traceyarial.com/blog/evelyn_huynh.

My name is Tracy Aeo and I am an apologetically Canadian. So we are talking with Evelyn Quinn. Now. Are you right now in Los Angeles? No, I'm actually in Ottawa, Canada, where I'm originally from. Okay, awesome, because I was gonna say this is what a heck on it early morning if it's not okay. So first, what are you doing in Otawa? What's happening there? Christmas? You know my I was born and raised here, so my family's here and I come back pretty often. So, yeah, Ottawa's home. Where do you live in Ottawa, Kannada? I'm not sure if anyone knows where that is. It's like a little city and it's a pretty big city in Ottawa. Yeah, I know. I think it's gotten a lot more attention. Yeah, recently, because they have a crop rate. They have a conference center there that a lot of people go to. Yes, well, welcome back to Canada. It's really interesting for an apologetically Canadian listeners to hear because you are now living in La and you are wellness coach. So can you just describe a little bit about how you ended up in Lah yeah, okay, so I'm just going to try to give you the guys, the cliff notes version. Say. I'm a wellness coach turned business coach in the walness industry. And so basically I started off in the Finnis and health industry as a personal trainer and then I took my business online. The reason why I started in the Finnis industry was because of my own struggles with, you know, bullying, body Dysmorphia, body image, that kind of thing. And so naturally I have some family in the states and it just made sense for me to bring my business over because La is just this big hub for, you know, the entertainment industry, the Finnis Industry. I was doing youtube for a bit, so it honestly just made sense for me to like bring my business there and I've been there for about a year and three months now, yeah, which is still relatively new. So yeah, it was very different living in the states compared to living in Canada. You have no idea. Its insane. Like the moment I come back to Canada, even just stepping foot in like the Vancouver Airport, I'm like, Oh my God, I'm on Canadian soil. Like you really notice the difference? Wow, and and is it because it's a cultural difference, or is it just a mood difference, or is there something about it that changes who you are? Yeah, it's a hundred percent, like an environmental and like an energy and a cultural difference. Like when you go over there it's kind of like every man for themselves, like but the moment you come to Canada, like the stereotypes are so true, like everyone's nice. You know, two days ago I was driving around the mall and we there was three cars at the intersection and everyone was just telling each other to...

...go. That would never happen in the state's but if everyone in the states is like okay, I'm going, you guys could deal with it later. So that means that you have to be a little bit, a little bit more aggressive, I guess. Is that what you want there exactly? And that's exactly the difference here. It's like so, you know, a little bit slower pace. You know, everyone's like here, you go ahead, I'm sorry, and then over there it's like no, I'm in it, you friend for yourself. Oh my gosh, that's perfect. Um and so, will tell me a little bit about where you came from, because when the reason that I was looking at interviewing you is because you have a really interesting story in terms of how you got where you are. It's almost like an origin story. So can we talk a little bit about what made you go into the wellness space? Yes, I love or maybe you actually know what. Let's start with what you're proud of first. I'm sorry, we should start with what you're proud is the first okay, so I guess what I'm proud of is probably having overcome bullying. You know, my mental health struggles and body dysmorphia. That was, as I was, a result of bullying, which kind of ties into why I ended up in the Finness and health industry. So I'm first generation Asian Canadian. My parents immigrated here after the Vietnam War and honestly, with little to nothing. So I grew up eating, you know, things that were on sale, frozen foods, instant notele bulls, things that were just were not healthy for you, and so growing up I was, you know, I put on a little bit more weight than the average person and I did grow up in a very Caucasian community, which meant that I was a minority and stuck out like a sore thumb. And so from the moment that I was in grade for and onwards. I just bounced around to different schools because of my parents jobs and as a result, I never really had close friends, and then when I did have friends, it was kind of going into the you know, popular you're not, and then, you know, the high school in the school dynamic, and that's where a lot of the bullying came about. I was in hot in grade nine, in two thousand and nine, and that's actually when instagram and all the social media started really popping off, and so during that adolescent time when I was in school was when cyber bullying was a huge thing and that was probably one of the biggest struggles that I went through and then having overcome that is definitely one of my biggest success stories and the thing then proud of most. Well, I think people don't realize how difficult it can be for women, particularly being bullied, because women are particularly cruel mentally when they bully other I mean that's a it's a big deal. It's crazy, like when we are and we hurt others. Yeah, and that's a great thing to remember too, is that most of the time you're being bullied by people who are equally hurts. Agreed. So can you just suscribe what, what...

...the when, the moment was that you turned one of those incidents into something that that created help for someone else? Yeah, is that's what you're good at, helping other people. So I started my own fitness journey and about I want to say, like two thousand and twelve it got to the point where my parents actually had to legally separate so that I could go to a different school in a different district, and so when that happened, they gave me my like they bought me my first gem membership, and that was when I kind of started dabbling in the fitness industry. But just like most of your listeners probably are with, like you know, experience. There's something called Yoo dieting and Yoyo Training, where you go to the gym for like a week and then you don't go for like three months, and that's what I did for about a year until I got accepted into university. So I went to Queens University in Kingston and that was really where my I became a fitness professional. So I became a weight room supervisor at the University Gym. I got certified as a personal trainer, and this was actually after I brought a couple of friends through the fitness journey and saw them transform and just feel better from the inside out, and that's when I was like wow, like this, this is my calling, this is where I need to be. I shouldn't be in linguistics, I should be in fitness, and so that's kind of where that all evolved. So you are in linguistics at the time at the university. What were you doing in terms of training? Is this weight training? When? Can you give me an idea of what kind of training you yeah, so I've been a dancer and I've been in sports since I was a really young age. But the thing is that when you are just doing sports or you're in dance like, you're not getting everything that your body meets. So, for example, dance is very cardio base, whereas you know, if I wanted to both lose weight and build muscle, like, I needed to lift weight. So when I went to university, that was when I started really taking weight training seriously. So lifting weights, body building, that kind of thing. Okay, so do you still do I, even though I do business coaching for leaders in the fitness and health industry. Now my life and business has a foundation of fitness and health, and so yeah, that's that's the my bread and butter. That's always going to be a safel in my life. Basically. Okay, so give me a sort of a rough idea of what your weekly schedule would be like. How what's a what's a a good fitness? Yeah, which is gem? Like how do you have? What's health? So I like that question. I like how you ask this for me, because every person so different and you know, I used to be someone that could spend three hours in the gym because I was doing a powerlifting program where, you know, I was, you know, more in the competition space, but now that I'm more just, you know, main maintaining my body, I now go to the gym about four to five days a week for about forty five minutes to an hour. But I don't really give myself I give myself a lot of like freedom to, you know, have to leave the gym early if, like, I need to tend to my dog or if I need to be on coaching calls,...

...etc. So my bare minimum is like four to five days and then about, you know, thirty to thirty minutes to an hour each session. Okay, and you're doing we weightlifting with your arms, your legs, is a full body weightlisting every time I do do you do arms one day, legs another day? Like what kind of skital do more of like a bodybuilding style. So I usually like to choose around like two muscle parts per day. So like on Monday it could be shoulders and chest, on Tuesday it could be my thighs and hamstrings, on Wednesday it could be my arms, and then I just kind of alternate. So that's kind of where my background as a personal trainer really does help me. I'm able to kind of wing a lot of things, whereas a lot of people they don't know what they're doing. So then they go to the gym and they're just dear and headlights. Yeah, and then do you have a cardio workout as well? I see you know, like you add cardio to it on in different thing and honest with you, Cardio's not my friend. So I in other ways. I actually was a certify, I'm a certified purse pole fitness instructor, so I got cardio that way. And then also I love to longboard. Okay, so do you do that? Very often now. I mean, how can you do that in California? Fornia cost angelist doesn't have a lot of long yes, it does. Oh, go my God. California is like huge for longboarding. So when I first moved to La I didn't have a car and I honestly longboarded everywhere. Ah, yeah, that's fun. I didn't really yeah, I thought that there were sort of neighborhoods you can go into see how to be love. I stayed more in like, you know, near saying Monica, the areas that weren't so crowded. Okay, okay, all right. So can you tell me about your favorite success story with what? How do you take what you know and help other people with it? Oh, I think my biggest success story kind of Tuck tackles on to what I'm most proud of, you know, having gone through so much with like my own body, this morphe and body image, and then turning that into a thriving business that is now in La. I think that's definitely it. So, as a personal trainer and as a fitness coach, I realized that I my mission was to help as many women as possible heal themselves from the inside out. And also hear the relationship with food the way that I have. And so I was really, you know, killing it as a fitnis coach. But then I realized me being a fitnis coach wasn't allowing me to help as the most amount of women. So what I then? Naturally, my business involved into me being a business coach for other fitness professionals in the industry. So now I teach my exact systems and processes to those people so that they can coach their fitness clients. That that makes sense. Okay, so your clients are actually coaches and fit clients, and how did you evolve to do that? I mean, because we're talking it's only been a year and a half since you've been in the state. Did you have some...

...of these clients before you left? Him have some of these clients? And so, in fact, I actually built my first business, which is actually my mom's homespa business, when back in two thousand and twelve, so I was twelve years old, I was in grade seven and my mom didn't we didn't have much money at that time, so my mom paid me a little bit of money to get her website up and running, and now it's a thriving business. So I've always just had that like entrepreneurial touch, if you will, and so naturally, when it felt like wow, I'm tapped out at how many people I can actually help, I realize that the only way for me to either grow my business and help more people was to become a business coach for those in the fitness and health industry. Okay, so this is I so you were only twelve. I guess I didn't how old. We know, I just never heard about I just turned twenty four and October. Okay, okay, so this has been a Jena, a journey of about twelve years. Yeah, so, and now you were telling in and in your bio you were talking about some of your your struggles. I mean bullying was one of them. You were you were talking about Buddy dysmorph yeah, so that's because of the sad diet, which actually is so typical. It's really hard to eat well when you don't have a lot exactly, and it's also as you can and so can you describe? Oh, we'll talk to about how did you get how did you educate? Yeah, because it's not something with any I don't believe school does much. All I could. I could not agree more. I actually was just interviewed by a magazine and they were asking me, you know, who was like my role model growing up for to for fitness and health and house like there was none, there really was. It my school. You know our schools. I feel like they do try sometimes to, you know, teach us, but I don't know if you feel the same way. But growing up, it when I did fizzed or health in school, like it always felt more like a chore than it was of something exciting, you know, like they would make you run beep tests and make you do push ups and make you do all these things that were not fun. But the approach that I started taking on was like, if you want to make someone do something that's hard, you got to make a fun and enjoyable for them, and so that's kind of my philosophy towards fitness and health, is making fitness fun. And so for me, I actually was self taught for everything in fitness, and that's why it took me about three years before I really got the results that I really wanted, because it was a lot of trial and error. It was a lot of going on Google Youtube doing the things wrong and then the moment when I got certified was when I started learning about proper form and technique, and that is really when my results came really quick. It's so different. I mean it's funny because you're talking about what I was it's cool. I mean I am fifty six, so I was in school a very long time ago.

It was completely different than and we didn't even have the Internet when I was going to school, which I think change is everything too. So when you talk about Google, looks like it's almost like you everybody has a library in their pocket. For me, the library with my safe paven. Yeah, I feel you. I'm born ninety five and so remember, I think my years probably one of the last year's. I remember even not having area codes and one day I went and called and my mom's like no, honey, you need to put six three, and I was like wait, why? It's so crazy how times have changed since yea, since then. Yeah, well, that's sort of I feel like that's something that people my age can learn from people your age, because you grew up with Google and the cut of the need to find information publicly and they need to communicate publicly in order to grow. Can you talk a little bit about how you've actually done that and in terms of how, maybe we can talk about one way that it succeeded and one way that it failed and you had to revise it. Yes, that's a good question. So one way that it succeeded. I mean, making money online is a thing more than ever and it's one of those things where you got adapt, you're going to get are you're going to fall behind. I was actually just at a shopping mall yesterday doing some Christmas shopping and I'm not sure if you're familiar with the brand forever twenty one. I love shopping with them, but they are one of the brands that wasn't able to keep up with consumers demands, and consumer demands was, you know, we want to shop online, and it wasn't they didn't make their company or their products accessible to people online and so unfortunately they kind of had to get left behind. So I feel like a lot of people in my generation, like millennials and stuff, if they're not taking advantage of what's available to them in the online space, they're really missing out, because the thing about online entrepreneur entrepreneurship is that you're able to work with people outside of your geographical location, and that's amazing. You're you're not only working with more people, but you also have the opportunity to make more so that's definitely one thing. It's just if there's so many opportunities, it's insane. But the downside is that I just find that there's no more real, not no more, but less real human connection, and there's less, honestly, love. Is what I'm noticing. We would rather hide behind the camera and or a phone or a computer rather than directly confront someone. We would rather, you know, call, like text someone rather than give someone a ring, and I just notice this so much, like we're really lacking that personal touch and human connection. Wow, yeah, I know it's true. And making that personal connection with strange, with people who are far away from you, because they're no longer strangers if you're connecting with them online. I've noticed this with the friends that I've made in ups and things, the that the relationship changes if you can actually meet in person at least once, at least occasionally. You know, you become friend ends by by actually get or like, if you really,...

...you know, live really far, then like got on skype or facetime, like see the other person, you know, be able to like feel their energy instead of just like through words and text yeah, it's fun. I mean this, this sort of giving me that feeling like I'm getting to know you, but be by just sking with you, you know, because you can't, because you can't know a person without actually communicating a hundred percent. I could not agree more. And so what about something that you tried and failed at first and then you revised it to have a story that I tried at first and I hmm, I am someone who's butt. Or just something that you fell that and then dropped? That would work too, because we don't want anything is not perfect. If you follow me on our social you will say that. Let's see, I feel like there has been a couple of scenarios. So, you know, there's this one scenario my professional career where I really trusted someone. I'm a very trusting person, sometimes to a fault, and right when I moved to La I decided to work for somebody else. She was also another fellow business coach and in her I was actually a head coach in her Groul coaching program and I was really excited. This was, in my eyes, going to be the start of this new chapter of Evelyn, and three days before the program was supposed to start, I was actually laid off because I was seen as a threat to the company. And Mind you, this is after I moved from Canada to La so, for the you know, Canadians, you know, you know, our currency isn't that great one. You should convert over to the US dollars. So I was. It was a really challenging time and during this time, because of logistics, I wasn't able to share my story or be able to talk about it. So I was really struggling behind the scenes that nobody else really knew about or I could really talk about. And that is a huge thing in entrepreneurship. Like we sometimes feel like we have to put on like this fake face just to look like we're holding it all together, but a lot of us are really you know, we're going through a lot in the background. You know, people not supporting us, people backstabbing us, people turning on US, etc. But I will tell you that taught me to depend on myself and that taught me that I was the only person who was going to really make my dreams happen. And so from that point on. That gave me the fire lit under my Tushi needed to build the business that I have now. Wow, and that's not that long ago, because it's you've only been there for a little more than a year. So the business that you have now, can you talk a little bit about that? What do you I mean? You, I know you have this thing kind evolved, right. That's your sister, just. Yes. So, yeah, it's such a great name. So just no, fun fact. My first business name is called a fitness. Technically it could stand for Evelyn whin fitness, but I was a linguistics major and and one of the modules and things that...

...we study was canadianisms. So because of my yeah, so because of my Canadian background, my businessing was actually like an awash to Canada. So a fitness not only stands for Evelyn with fitness, but it's also very Canadian based, you know, because we say that all the time. You're the perfect and to be a persons like my American friends always called me out on it, because I still say that all the time. Yeah, so that's that was my first business, which is very Finnish base, and then now I have evolved with Evelyn, which is my business coaching. So, like I mentioned to you earlier, I help other leaders in the finness and health industry, as well as photographers, make more money and have more time through the online space. So I basically help them build their businesses online, and this is and I also do life coaching, so it's kind of like a life business and fitness coaching hybrid that I do for my clients. Oh, that's very interesting because, I mean as a millennial, you have so much insight into how online business works. That's probably even intuitive at this point. It's one of those things where, as a fitness like when you talk to, you know, credible fitness coaches who've done it for a long time. As a Finnish coach, when someone tells me, like that's AE Jenna for Hypothetical Het, Jenna says, Oh, I've lean, I am five foot three, I wigh x amount of pounds. This is my history. I'm able to just already piece together what the program is for them or what the future of their finish journey is going to look like, just like how I'm able to do that with Google's businesses. So when they tell me the current stats of their business, you know how long they've been in business, what their current offers are. I'm able to tell them. Okay, Johnah, this is what's going to happen in the next three to six months, and it's kind of cool. It's very intuitive at this point. Oh that's fast. And what does it vote like? When you say evolved, is that is your system? Have a condom? Is it a disease or something in the V it is an acronym. So what is it? What it's stand for? Listeners on unapologetical Canadian take notes, because this evolved method will literally change your life. So the evolved method is something that I use to coach my clients and it's something that I encourage them to use with their own clients. So I'll just kind of tell you and kind of explain briefly. So this evolved method is something that I argue that every human should audit their life based on, and as long as each of these pieces are in your life, like, it's a good life. So the first e stands for energy. So everything like energy is everything right, like like attracts like. So the energy. If we want to get good energy in our life, we got to produce good at good energy outwards. But that also comes from, like we're our mental energies at and also physical. So that's who you're training, your nutrition, your mindset, your personal development and your spiritual development. So what the first thing I ever get people to audit is hot. Where is your physical health that? Where's your mental health at, and what changes? And think what things can you do to improve on that, if that makes sense. So that's energy, because when you feel good, you do good...

...things. The second V or the first V, is vision. If we don't have a vision in life, either for our life or our business, we will get there. And so one of the and you know, especially being an entrepreneurship, what I found is that when people don't have a clear vision, they don't do the necessary things that they need to attain their goals. But when you have a big enough vision, you know what's at stake, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I mean I love that. I'm part of something called visions school and I think that changed everything. Vision really does really better, and it's not it's not even clear why or how, because usually the things that you think it went, you usually the thing you think it means, is exactly but I just feel like so many of us are so like we're kind of living in like the next, like three to six months, like we're not thinking long term, and that's where I've noticed that technology has really screwed up a little bit, is that everyone wants things now. Everyone's only think about right now, but they're not thinkinging long term, whether long term health or long term vision in their life. So visioning is definitely really important. Oh stands for organized. I'm a very type A organized person. My Dad's a software engineer. AM exactly like him. I'm very analytical, very yeah, like I spreadsheets. So my clients love me for my organizational skills. I give them to do lists. So I just want to ask you, like, are you like what? where? How is your life organized like? Do you have routines? Do you have a morning routine? Are you going to the gym? Are you following a planner? Are you using a schedule? Things like that, because, honestly, I'm going to be honest with you. Being a dog mom, moving around, traveling, working and also doing Finness, the only way that that all happens is because I have a schedule and I follow it. Otherwise you're just throwing spig wall out of the wall hoping. Yeah, yeah, if it's not my calendar, it's not for me to feel like so many of them, but I'm a type A organizer. Okay, that's true. That's true, that's fair. I Love Organization. You know, I feel like not everybody can actually just got to find other ways for them to be organized. Maybe it's not to do list, maybe it's just, you know, telling themselves that they have like x amount of things that they need to do in the week and then just figuring out which day they're doing what. Yeah, we're setically. And then L is for love. I know it sounds a little cliche, but I have just, you know, after being in business and meeting so many people from all around the world, I've just noticed that a lot of us are really lacking that love in our life. And Love is, you know, love is the answer to everything, honestly, like, when we feel love, we want to give more love. And I just noticed, you know, when people are bullying, when people are trolling on the Internet, it's usually because they're going through something like we were mentioning earlier. And so I always leave with love in my coaching and I encourage my clients to do the same, and that really makes a difference in our life and business. Like just really at asking yourself, Mo and that explains. Yeah, that also explains why you're in Autuma right now,...

...because you're spent a lot of time coming back, which and which also probably gave you some of the impetus to make your business successful enough so you can come back to Ottawa regularly. I mean, love actually gives you a US to hit the nail the head. That's honestly, why I come back every three I was just here three weeks ago. Like I come back so often and some people don't understand why, and I'm really glad that you do, because sometimes I tell people they're like why do you go hope so often, and I'm like cuts, its family and love is the most important thing to me. Yeah, yeah, it's wonderful. I mean that's a lovely I love that. So my so far, I'm so with you on the evil support so that we can be Ed. So be the last be stands for value. So again, like at tracks, like the law, vibration says that, like attracks. Like. So, if I want to have more value of my life, I got to give more value. So that's kind of how I function. If you follow me on my instagram or any of my social platforms. I aim to always put value in their every single day. So I put value on business, Finness, health, mindset, anything like that, because then it always just comes back to me. So I always encourage my clients. I guess. You want your business to succeed, give more value, if you want to be happy in your life, make someone's Day, give them some value, because it will always come back to you tenfold. And the last e is in power, which is probably one of my favorites because, as you can probably agree, when women are in power heard, we make things happen. We like empowered women empower other women, and so that's just my motto is just if I can empower more women to feel empowered, that's going to create a ripple effect. Oh my gosh, that's wonderful. Yeah, it's very positive thinking too, because if you can, I mean the advantage of empower means that when you do have struggles, you can think, okay, if I can get through this, can share. Yes, agree, I love. I mean I think my listeners will really appreciate that, that coaching idea, because I really think that you've captured a whole lot of ideas in a very concise fashion. So and and you actually you said several times that you have lots of social platforms. Which one s are? I mean, I assume you're on Instagram, but when I'm in the transition of switching my website over, because things just as you mentioned, like I've only been in La for a year and a lot has happened in that year. So right now I'm on instagram and facebook, but my website. Were just kind of rebuilding that back up and those are honestly. Oh, and Youtube. I'm on Youtube as well. Actually evolve with Evelyn on my instagram and Youtube, and then my facebook is just Evelyn. When and so, what type of advice do you have for other entrepreneurs like you, because it sounds like you've gone through really four different trends, maybe even five different transitions, right. I mean you started, you recognize? Did you recognize that you were an entrepreneur when you were twelve? Like when did you actually come to that realization? That realization, I want to say in twenty eight team, because you don't feel like an entrepreneur when you're not...

...making any money out. That's that was my feeling. Like if you know other people would call me that, but the thing is is that when you don't like, when you don't feel like you've got all the running parts in your business, you won't feel like the true CEO or entrepreneur. You got of just feel like you're it's a very expensive side hustle or very expensive hobby. So I was, honestly until in two thousand and eighteen when I started actually making some little bit of cash and I look back and I was like wow, like I've started a business when I was twelve. I was an entrepreneur back then. But yeah, that didn't happen until many years later. Oh, that's fascinating. And so what advice do you think other entrepreneurs should should give to themselves in terms of turn turning in creating that kind of guys, the biggest advice that I have for you, the biggest golden nugget, is stay in your own lane and defining your own version of success, because if you're constantly focusing on what everyone else's idea of success is, you'll not only never achieve it, but you'll never feel fulfilled. And that's one of the hardest lessons that I have learned in this past year was really having to put those blinders on and just focus on my mission in life, because it's so different from other people and when you are in a bubble, it's so easy for your own dreams to get to feel like it's not as big as other people's. Well, and and that's it's very, very important to connect to your yeah, yourself first. I mean, and you that actually you talked about learning to love yourself. Actually, we should probably talk a little bit about that. was really last sightful. That's probably the one of the biggest transformations was actually learning how to truly love myself from the inside out, because when, especially as a woman, when you are struggling through body Dysmorphia, it's really easy to attach yourself worth to the way that you look. Oh Yeah, when we all do it. I mean it's it's a it's a it's a big struggle I have. I find that very difficult that now too, because I'm at a higher weight than I want to be and it's like, well, it just doesn't feel like me. Yeah, you dress yourself and do you think that doesn't feel like me? But it is before our last question, because I we always endend the last one. Do you have anything that I didn't ask you that you weren't there anything that you had wanted to mention that I didn't ask you about? We talked about so much today and I feel like there's so many golden nuggets for the listeners to kind of take on, you know, auditing their life through the evolved method. Nothing really Possi to mind right now. Okay, good. Well then we go to our last question, which is do yourself. Do you consider yourself a Canadian? Oh my God, yes, through and through. It's really a badge of honor that I wear now. I'm very proudly Canadian. I'm very proud that I started my business in Canada, especially after living in the states now, I just noticed how much of a I hate to say it, but you know, it does feel like it's a closer. I mean maybe also because can has a lost smaller, but you know, it just seems like the culture, the culture here, is a lot different. It's...

...more inclusive. I just feel so much more love every time in my Canada and it's it's really interesting for me to say that now, especially after having lived in the states for a year. Like I truly mean it when I say that I you feel such a massive energetic shift when you come to Canada. So to me, being a Canadian just means like leading with love and acceptance and understanding. How wonderful that's such a community oriented response leading to love. It's beautiful. Well, thank you very much. I so appreciate your time. It was really g lovely going having me and have a wonderful holiday system. It was really to joy. As you said, I think that my listeners will get tons of value from our discussion. I love your whole method and I'm so glad. Thank you so much, Ray. You See, thank you for listening to an apologetically Canadian. This episode was brought to you by aerial view courses. Our courses are designed for people who are curious about creativity, growth and resilience. Fine Up Today.

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