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Episode 59 · 1 month ago

Get Out of a Rut With Christine Sauer

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Christine Sauer is a neuroplasticist turned coach who helps women struggling with depression and other mental health issues thrive. 

Thank you for listening to unapologetically Canadian. Please consider supporting our podcast for a month joint select listeners and get additional episodes every month. And so today, well, we're here because we're talking about creative entrepreneurship and um I am so excited because we met through the lift conference we just finished. UH, when this podcast goes live, it will have been about six weeks ago. and Uh so we were both in the Um Canadian section. And so then I was like, Oh, I'd love to interview for my podcast. Can you tell people what you do? You're in the health sector. Well, I'm German trained but retired M D and Andy. So I was a physician and atropath in Germany and then I came to Canada and I had a very bad fall. I was very depressed, ended up in the mental hospital for a while, tried to kill myself. So that as a story there and I tell it on my website. And then I struggled for about ten years. In the meantime I met my now husband, which is a wonderful person, and he went with me to thick and thin for now twenty three years close on, and at some point I decided that that was not a life for me to be stay depressed and the victim of my circumstances and not being able to work as a doctor. So I said, how can I fulfill my passion and do what I really want to do in life, which always was helping people? So I got creative and looked what's there and I decided to become a coach. First I took a health coaching program. It was the closest to what I learned and I decided, yeah, okay, just put it out there and people will come. Well, which is a big mistake is all entrepreneurs now, because once you put it out there and you think you can help everybody, yes, you can help everybody, but that doesn't work because nobody will feel addressed. So in the end I ended up being bankrupt and I had to reinvent myself. So I know the ups and downs and I actually am grateful for the Canadian system that allows us to declare bankruptcy. In Germany it is impossible. You end up with your debts until so they only allow you an amount of income to remain if you have lunched its. Uh, it's about on the social assistance level. So that is hard for many people there, and I'm grateful that the Canadian system allows personal bankruptcy. That helps people get out of that and start over. So that's what I did and I reinvented myself my business and I'm actually just started with my own business partner, great coach in training and very strategic. Gentlemen, and as Dr Christine we help people start living the best life they can, start living their best life, help people out of the darkness, out of their depression and anxiety and mental health what and be kind of the lighthouse at the that they see through the fog and they know there is a way out and it helps them in their search and we help them by giving them a little bit of a direction and guiding them along the way, lifting them up, helping them out of the what and the wagon. When they fall off the band wagon they start back about again and that is so rewarding to see people change. Wow. And so how long have you been doing that then,...

...and where are you located? I'm located in Halifax, Nova, Scotia, but of course all I do is online. Nowadays, covid everything is going online. I love technology. I'm lucky that way. I always was a coach, even when I was a doctor, because my tenant always was the patient is at the center. The client is at the center. It's their life, their responsibility, it's their decision. What happens with them. Yes, they need proper information, they need guidance, sometimes they need somebody to help them, but it's always the client that's at the center. It's not you can't delegate your responsibility in life to be your own person, to the best doctor, to the best whatever. It just doesn't it's not good. It doesn't work. Now, I know when you're working with such a deep um issues with people, it can be a little bit difficult talking about some of the people help because you can't be you can't be specific. But can you give us um an idea of maybe one of the success stories of some of the of of of some man the people that you work with and uh, and what happened in a general sense? Yes, and a typical person that I help comes to me and they're often not couch surfing or they can't get out of bed. They may be still working, but they are generally unhappy, anxious and I'm not sure of what they want to do and sometimes they really lost themselves, and I'm thinking of a gentleman. I Love Coaching men. They are very receptive and there's very few mental health services that specifically address men. And what I do first is I do a thorough assessment. So that's what I did with that client and I found out he needed certain supplements to be healthy and then I recommend the strategy. I do a health life strategy around the five dimensions of life, which are physical health. They have to work on their nutrition, physical fitness and other aspects of the body health. I review medications, illnesses and have clues what's missing and what may need to be added or substituted or further investigated. So we did a few additional tests and changed some supplementation and he started to feel more energy and that allowed him to address more issues that we addressed in the psychological, emotional part, spiritual part, and then the social and relationship and financial parts at all. So at all the points it is always we're there, you make the decision and he decided, after the tests and the supplements were there, to do a lot of research and many clients they go on Google, sample everything, take courses, read books and that is so helpful and they say, okay, I want to eat so and so, and then they do it and after two or three days they fall off the bank wagon. We all do that. And then next coaching session, how are you doing with it? Well, kind of stopped it. Okay, that's okay. Don't beat yourself up over it. Two Mores, another day. And the more often you try something that you know you need to do, the more often you do it for longer and the more your chances of eventually actually changing those habits, because nobody changes the habits just by making the decision. Today I'm going...

...on the Diet, or even preferably January one, so I can eat everything I want. Before gained twenty pounds and then in January one I'm going on a diet and I'm losing twenty pounds. That's what most of us do. That's what I did. I was there in the fifteen pounds myself. So that's why I'm using that example. What works is actually slowly changing your diet more and more and eventually you end up with the lifestyle is to put a healthy weight right, right, and those are the little change and it takes time. When somebody tells you in thirty days you have a riddled body. You would be healthy, you'll be happy. It's a lie and people know that more and more. So we just try to go with them and be their guiding post, kind of the lighthouse that look for in the fog. So do you have um courses? Do you have little coaching session that they pay for by the Um, by a period of time? What? How do you offer your services? That's very good question. Thank you. We offer, of course, individual sessions for those that wanted. Uh, we offer a whole program that includes the course and hybrid session. The course. That means to Include Group coaching session and individual session, because everybody needs at least for individual session to be successful. And Then Group coaching session is enough for some and they can always ask for an additional individual session. But for those that want to be very private, we offer a complete individual program that includes also course materials and additional materials. Of course it's the Group coaching program has the advantages of coursage, cheaper, it's more and some people are unreally financial problem and they sometimes invest in things that don't give them what they need. And so can you talk a little bit about success that you're really proud of? I'm really proud of those clients or those people generally, whether their clients or not, that make the decision for a change and then go on the search to find the person that can work with them, or those people that can work with them and guide them along the way to recovery from whatever ails them. I'm so proud that. My greatest success is seeing somebody that was stuck in the victim or make the decision that they want to live a better life and then actually go for it. And when you look five years later, ten years later, at this same person and see somebody that was unable to work on their mother's couch being successful in whatever career they choose, hey, that is reward. Yeah, now that can be really and can you talk a little bit about what has happened like over time as you've built your business, because you've been doing this now for how long? I've been building my business now for five years and I made so many mistakes. I was I wasn't good as an entrepreneur. Enjoyment. It was easy. As a doctor. You hang your sign out there and people flock and in two years I had the biggest dermatology, allertcology and family practice in the area and I had a eight list. Okay, I thought in Canada works the same. I'm an entrepreneur. OPS, boom Um, not true. So I had to change my marketing message. To Change, I had to learn new...

...things. I'm still learning new things and I'm enjoying every moment. And the biggest messages I learned is, number one, you can't be everything to everybody. People that don't want to change will never change, and it doesn't make sense to lecture them on what they should do because they don't want to change. So okay. And number three, you never learn out. It's always good to explore new things and live your truth. Be who you really are in every interaction with people. Don't try to put up Oh, I'm the successful entrepreneur facade. Those who are real will look through it, and those who work with you after a while, well, now it's all not true. Yeah, exactly. So I'm a struggling entrepreneur. Yes, I know what I'm doing, I'm good at what I'm doing, but the financial success is still waiting for me. I know it is. It's fine. I'm happy with the place I'm in and I'm just loving my people that I coached to everything I do. That's all of that's a lovely can you talk a little bit about how your life is because of what you do at work? That's an interesting question because my husband sometimes it's not very happy with me as sitting on in the office, which is in the home, for about five to seven hours a day and doing a lot on the computer, and sometimes he doesn't understand what I'm doing. He's a lovely person, but he doesn't understand business and sometimes he says, you're playing on the computer again, Um, but he starts to realize that I truly help people and he is fully supportive. So we changed, because in five years, I'm sure your business has changed significantly. Like when do you think made that easier on the two of you? What made it easier is number one, that I changed. And after the bankruptcy our marriage nearly failed, which is not unusual. And how long ago? That was? Two and a half years ago. Wow. Okay, so it's still kind of fresh too. It's still kind of fresh, but we worked through it and we came out stronger than before and I'm still in the process of building financial trust with him. But I know the business right now supports itself, which is great right. So it's no longer just a hobby, which is nice, but I don't see it so much a business as a mission to help others. In the end, it doesn't matter to me if I make actually money with what I'm doing. I want to support the systems I need, like I need zone calls. I need some business software and the computer to work, but I do not want to make more money than what I need. I want to support our modest lifestyle, which we live in a two bedroom mobile home. It's all the need. We don't need a fancy house on the beach. Sorry, we can make a vacation on the beach if that's what we want to do. I want to bring the message of hope to as many people as I can and I want to make money with the business to employ others, bring my services for free to those who can't afford it yet because I haven't been through...

...their own process of recovery, and help those that really needed and wanted. That is my purpose and mission and I care for people. I love people and when I live that comfortable but simple life that I'm living now, that's all I want. And so, Um you said that you have a partner in your business and Um, so how are you? How have you changed your operations and how are you operating now in terms of getting clients and working forward? That's really an interesting question about the business itself. What will be changing, and is changing, is that he needs to support his lifestyle and his mother too, so I and he wants to have an additional education. And I said to him I have no issue, when our business is growing, to support all those goals. Whether the profit split is fifty fifty or not, I don't care, because what I want is you to have what you need, I to have what you what I need, and our clients have even more than what they need, and all of us to live reasonably comfortable, modest, happy life. That's all we need. I mean we don't need fancy stuff to live be happy. We lived in a three thousand square foot home with chickens, which was lovely. We had chickens and our own eggs, but it was a lot of work. We're getting older. We don't want to have all that work. We don't need a big house and even if I had millions, I don't think I would be having a big property at the beach with a Fancy House, twenty employees. Well, maybe employees to help them out, but I don't need that kind of lifestyle and that's important for people to realize. I think they're attached to their things. Oh, I can't let go of that. We downsized from the big house to this one in four weeks. In four weeks, wow, we let go of five ships and about two thousand square feet of stuff. Wow, that with a big struggle. I it wasn't a struggle, it was a relief. Is The wrid of this stuff that was weighing us down. Stuff is weighing you down. You don't realize it how much stuff can weigh you down. And I constantly review my wardrobe. Now, not so much because we don't have the space, but what didn't I wear that in the last year? Well, I ever wear that again, goes. Somebody can use it if it would. Yeah, no, it's a it's interesting because I'm a gardener, so I tend to collect things for it to be used. I Love Your Garden and still here we have a few things, but but every now and then you have to do that spring cleaning and just clear things out. It's through. Yeah, and I've started doing webinars and one of my friends and we were clients for each other. She does declattering your space and your life. Okay, well, that's a good company. Webinar with me in June, I think really and she is a very interesting person. She coaches especially a d h people, which many of us are, because we de organized, disorganized, right and or. She's a great organizer.

So I'm looking forward to that. And she helped me organize my workspace and I do that periodically and throw out all old notes that I guarantee it will not read again. Yeah, it's a Um, wow, that's really interesting. Um, so you talked about I mean bankruptcy, I guess is your do you consider it your biggest failure, or do you have something else that you consider as a failure? Or was that? Now? I wouldn't say that bankruptcy itself. My biggest failure in my life was probably to light to my husband about having so much dead that I made until I was forced to go bankrupt, and that was worse than the bankruptcy itself, I'm sure. So everybody that that's that and thinks, Oh yeah, next month I'll have the money to pay it all off. I don't need to tell them not a good idea. Even if they know it, the partner will be angry, mad at them or go away. Eventually it will come out and it will be worse and it would have been head to told them earlier. Right, right, wow, that's a big lesson. Yeah, partnerships, I mean a marriage is a partnership. So if you're going to be whether it's a marriage, common law partnership, same thing. Between men, women, same thing. The issues are all the same between people, even between families, sisters, brothers, it's similar issues. Wow. So what did you learn from all of that that you've been able to take over into Your Business? I took over a big lesson in relationships and I of course researched that scientific researcher by love and education, and I love science if it is if it makes sense, because I also love Judge Judy. He always said if it doesn't make sense, it's not true. That applies to science also. There's a lot out of there that's not true, because scientists are people and scientists are influenced by what their bosses or whoever pays them expect of them to do and the results to be. And I know that from personal experience in science and doing research. Oh, that's interesting. So you're I had to falsify results because of pressure that if I wouldn't do it I would lose my job. Wow, that's tough. That was very tough and I still think it wasn't right for me to do it, but I know that was an interesting experience because I know there's more of it out there. Oh, I'm sure you're not the only person that has succumbed to it's pretty hard to do the right thing when you're paid to do the wrong thing. That's exactly it. The right thing to do is to walk out and say I'm not doing it. Yeah, but if you have a young family, what do you do? Yeah, it's in a hard place, for sure, and I understand people that do it and I respect people that later say don't believe that science. I falsified it myself. If it's significant, it's important to come out with it. Yeah, but then again, how do you get people to come out with it when they are encouraged not to? As long as there's so dependent on the payee or in that community where their reputation is...

...everything, they can't m wow. Yeah, that's a challenge. That's a big change and if I was still in Germany working as a physician, I would never say that. Wow. Oh, now, when did you leave Germany? Seven came to Canada. Were you in Halifax? Right from the beginning? I was my ex actually, and I decided to come to Halifax because it was close to Germany. It has a nice climate in Canada and we bought a property down and dig B it was a beautiful piece of property with woods and the lake in it. And then we decided to immigrate. And then he decided, when we had the immigration paper, he decided to commit suicide. So I was left with the two boys. They were a teenager still then in immigration papers. So I talked to the boys and said Hey, let's go to Canada. So that's what we did and it was the best decision in my life because I love Canada. I'm a Canadian by now. Then it was very hard because I knew nobody and that's why I ended up in the hospital because and tried to kill myself because I was so isolated, so shy. People that know me now can't believe that I was a very shy and introverted person. Did you want to pick up the phone because I was so afraid to bother anybody. Wow, what about the two boys? Are they still in Halfax to? Oh No, no, one went back to Germany and he has now six kids, for from his first wife and two of my grandchildren, and the other boy used in England. Very successful businessman and as my first grandchild there. Well, not my first but his first. No, anywow, that's so congratulations. So I'm a three time grandmother. I'm sure you are too, a grandmother. I am not, actually, my kids don't have my kids are older, but they don't. They're twenty one and twenty six, but they are so young. Ninety. Okay, I'm a little older. Although my hair is dark, it will turn right soon, I think. I don't know my mother's and the hair is still dark, but she now started to color it. She started, I think, in her sixties, so I'm shortly starting. No, I don't think my hair is not gray enough. I I want to try and late it, just gray out and beared with dignity, because I think it looks kind of funny even an older person suddenly has dark hair. Doesn't look right. Well, I think people can do what they want, but yeah, I like to go. I like to go all great. I'm actually quite happy with the natural gradeates from God. But people are born with white hair by nature, the Albinos, and they just have white hair and it's fine. And my son has red hair and he loses them all and he's okay with it. Um. That leads to the last question, which is it can links to the Canadian and because you were just saying that you are a Canadian now, m can you tell me what that means to you? Yeah, I decided to be a Canadian after being in Canada for about seven or eight years and I decided to become a Canadian because I got immersed in the Canadian culture. I'm married to a Canadian and I love the multicultural experiment that Canada is. I call it experiment because there's clashes, says...

...politically correctness that is sometimes a little overdone, and it is still a good, good society to live in. It is uh, people are very kind usually, but as always you look for the kind people, you find the kind people, you'll be kind. You meet kind people, you'll be nasty. Will you will be met with nasty people? Yeah, that's that's the old story of the ferryman that takes people across the river and one guy comes and says, well, how are the people on the other side of the river? And the ferryman asked him, well, how were the people at where you came from? And he says all they were nasty and mean and lying to each other. Well, he said, you'll find that on the other side of the river. They're very much the same. And then there was another person that came and asked the same question. Ferryman, how are the people are the other way of the river? And he asked them the same question. What do you think? How are the people where you came from? And he said, Oh, they are lovely, kind, loving, caring for each other. And he smiled and said where you find on the other side of the river, they're very much the same. Isn't that a great Um? All of the story. That is a lovely story. Um. And was there anything that I didn't ask you that you were hoping to talk about? No, I'm I'm I'm very happy. I'm always happy to talk to people and I'm very happy to meet people. And yes, it's a podcast and I want to encourage people to go to my website. DOC CHRISTINE DOT COM, D O C C H R I S T I n e Dot Com, and I offer a free coffee chat where you can meet me in my kitchen over a cup of coffee, tea or drink of your choice, and so it's an informal chat and we'll talk about how you are doing. I'm not so much talking about myself like I did today, and and then you can decide whether I'm maybe the person to work with you or not. That's completely fine, okay, and I will put that link in our show notes to thank you very much. Christina. Was Great. Thank you so much, Tracy. It was so much fun to me same here. My name is Tracy Aeo and I am UNAPOLOGETICALLY CANADIAN.

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