Unapologetically Canadian
Unapologetically Canadian

Episode 51 · 1 year ago

Marian Bulford's Heritage Discoveries


This week on the podcast, I interview Marian Bulford, a genealogist, researcher, indexer and writer. She describes what it's like to discover family secrets as she researches and writes stories about her ancestors. 

My name is Tracy aial and I am an apologetically Canadian, and today we're speaking with Marian Bulford. She's a good buddy of mine from the genealogy on some group. How are you, Marrian? I'm doing very well. Thank you, Tracy. So it's very exciting to have other writers on the show. I'm particularly interested in the last story that you did for a genealogy on some about being a an index or a volunteer indexer. He talked a little bit about that. Yes, well, that is part while there are many public indexes in the world, but I happen to belong to the Mormon Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, commonly known as the Mormons, and on their family history site they do have a invitation for you to join and do indexing and as part of the Sunday sermons that we used to go to, most people would do their indexing and their genealogy research on a Sunday afternoon after church and it would be like a family project and I really enjoy it because I find so many interesting items on the indexing. You can choose the language, you can choose the world. Anywhere in the world you can choose what you wish to download, from, say, civil war people who joined up to more modern day births and marriages and deaths. So it's a very interesting project well, and just for people who might not be into genealogy research, just indexing are the lists of people so that if you're looking for a record you can easily. You can just look up your ancestor and find out whether it or not they're in that record. Except usually what it is exactly. It's mainly people like us we index. We send it off to a central place where it's reviewed countless times to make sure it's correct and then it's uploaded to family search or other you know, ancestrycom, my heritage, those kind of things. It's all uploaded to them that I don't know if the church sells them. I don't think they do. I think they gives this information for free, because it is free on our site and that's how people can do their genealogy, by looking for their ancestors. That have already been done by indexers such as me right, and the family search actually is. They're also the ones who do their annual conference roots. That's true, and they also are it's a great library if you're looking for information about about any historical period, even if you're not doing genealogy, because the records that they have are or so uncompassing. That's right, they have a lot of records. They I think they were the first in the world, because it is one of the tenants of the Church that you find and baptize the dead. It sounds be carb, but actually it's to make sure, because the one is believe that everyone eventually ends up as a family in heaven, if you like. We believe that baptizing the dead insures that will all be together one day as a family again. Normally very nation. So I mean it's it's something that they believe in firmly. So genealogy research was a big, big thing, still is, and so everyone make sure that all their families are researched and baptized in the temple. Of course, we don't just baptize anyone. It's only our family members. We do not baptize people that we do not know or we do not have permission, but this is usually a hundred years after their death. Are Baptized. It's not, you know, something that's done Willy Nilly. It's very serious and they great the...

...temple and they have them baptized in absentia and it's a wonderful ceremony. How cool it's, and I mean for people like me, I mean the the resources that are available because of all of that volunteer work, is really quite impressive. It is because it's really hard heard. I mean first of all. Now actually we should talk a little bit about the group that we're pard of, the genealogy and some group. How did you get involved with them? Well, that was because my friend Claire is also a member, Claire Lindell, of the group, and one day I was telling her about the Mormon Church and she said, you know, you should write a story about that and I said, yeah, I've. I've sort of, you know, played with that, of always written down stuff about the family, you know, little snippets, and she said, I'm a member of a writing group, genealogy writing group. She said, I'm going to ask if you can join and I said, wow, that would be fantastic and I got in and I was so honored because this is a group of wonderful women. mean the fact that nine women can actually get on together and talk and, you know, critique each other's work without nastiness or bitterness. It's a it's a wonderful thing and that this group for me, has been. Oh, it's been a wonderful, wonderful thing to do, to join up with you all, and I've never if you know, I feel the same way. I just find it a glorious group of people. You know, the nine of us are. We get along so well. We're so diverse. It's really a grab bag of people, all ages, different parts of the world. I mean, you know, well, mostly Quebecers, but you know there are a couple of us that are not born and bred here, but we certainly feel welcome. That's for Suh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and that's been I guess that's been at least six years now, maybe even more. Yes, I believe it is. Yes, yeah, then we've published a book together and Phil but in the rest of your life, can you tell me a little bit, because I know a little bit about you because of the stories you've written. You also have a great series on the on your military career. Oh, yes, yes, yeah, well, that was that happened. Like I was born in Plymouth, in Devon, in England, and my parents divorce when I was seven. and My mother remarried and of course it was all you know, it wasn't very pleasant. So when I was seventeen years old, I left home and I went to London with a girlfriend and lived with her and her family for a year. When I came home I was nearly eighteen and I was in town in Plymouth one day and I walked past the RAF careers office and I looked at it and thought now you know, that could never happen to me. But the next day I went back and I was trembling from head to first because I was so nervous. I mean, having left school at Fifteen, my education wasn't that great, but I thought, well, at least I can have a look at it and see what happens. So they gave me a test and the man there, the officer, said he would let me know and they caught they sent me a letter and about I don't know, it was about a month, I'd almost forgotten about it, saying that they thought they had a place for me. I was just over the moon. It was last thing I ever did. So I went in and I found out all about it and I decided to document it in my stories on genealogy on Psalm and, as I say, it was the best thing I ever did because I learned such a lot. I had a not only a career, but I had the discipline and I knew what was going to happen from one day to the next. On like my young life. It was very up and down my young life. It wasn't settled and say military was something that was wonderful for me because it gave me structure and I knew here I...

...was going and what I was doing each day and we had little tests and we had history lesson of the RAF, learned how to March and Oh it was just wonderful. Yeah, well, I know links to some of those stories in the show notes so that people can read them. What did you find difficult about writing the story is, did you do it? Did you have because I know you've done a good job at making them not just about your own life but giving general hints to other people so that it's more about an error in time rather than just your ancestors. All right, thank you. This is we're still talking about the RAF now. It will any of the stories that you write for Gennel. Did them, because that's a challenge for all of them. Right, all right, while I keep everything, you know, I have all my books from when I was in the Air Force, all the lecture books, all the lectures, and it was wonderful dragging the all out and actually going through them and reading. So the three stories that I wrote about my life in the RAF flowed because I had every available picture photograph books at my fingertips and it was such a pleasure to write it and it opened up a wonderful feeling of wow. You know, that was a wonderful time. Didn't I enjoy that and didn't I do well? I've, you know, as old as I am, I suddenly realized that I did quite well in it, and I did six years and it was wonderful. I really enjoyed it. Okay, take a little bit about your life since then. What kind of I mean with what happened after you, after you left the military. Well, I left the military after my six years and my husband was still in the military and we lived outside of the camp in married quarters. I had a civilian job in a doctor's office because I was a medic in the women's Royal Air Force. So I served, you know, had a little bit of a job at a doctor's office. Then we got married quarters at another camp because my husband decided he was going to be be an air cartographer. You can change trades within are force. You don't have to stay in the same trade. Prior to that he was an administrative assistant, like a PA, to so Thomas Prickett at RAF up haven, which is where we met, and when he decided to retrain he was posted to RAF North Alton, east London, and from there we got married quarters and then we started a family. So I was, you know, looking after the babies for a long time now. My husband, he joined the Royal Air Force when he was sixteen years old as a boy entrant and he was doing he signed up for twelve years, but what they didn't tell him was it those twelve years didn't start until he was eighteen. So the fact they got fourteen years out of him, Oh man, by the time he'd done about I think it was about ten years, he said, Oh you know, I'm really fed up with this, I'd like to do something new. So he did what was caught. He bought his his freedom. You have to pay to get out if you want to leave before your time is up. So he paid for his freedom to come out and we thought, well, what are we going to do now? We had no money really, we didn't have anywhere to live. Family weren't going to take us in. So he was at work one day and the new desktops, as they were called, had just been installed in the office and my husband was a sergeant and he was the one on a training course to learn how to operate desktops, which were, of course, computers. And he went on this big course and one day someone approached him at civilian came on to camp and they had fitted out all the computers and they said to him, you know, if you ever considered leaving the air force, and he said, well, I am going to be leaving the air force in the next year. You have to work your your passage. You had to work for a year, even though he paid to get out, and this gentleman's that to him. We're pretty these computers in the International Air Transport Association in Geneva, Switzerland. Would you be if I could sell these computers to the International...

Air Transport Association and tell them that a air cartographer would be willing to come over and work for them? Would you be willing and my husband sort of is jaw dropped and he said yes. So in a few weeks time it all went very fast. He went over to Geneva, he had an interview, they hired him and by the next year we were in Switzerland and it was like a it was like a dream, it really was. We had a wonderful two and a half years there. The boys were in French school and then the company decided maybe he liked to be transferred to Montreal, Canada, and we thought, wow, that's a long way to go. You know, we were still in Europe at the time. So then we said, well, why don't we treat it as an adventure and as a posting? Postings were usually three years of the time. If we don't like it, we can move on. Canada's a big country. So we said Yeah, yeah, let's do it. So we arrived in Canada three you know, how old were the boys then? o The boys then were about five and seven. Okay, maybe maybe a little older, maybe eight and nine. Yeah, seven and nine. Seven and nine is two years between them. So we put them into we were thrilled we were coming too Quebec, because we knew it was French speaking and we arrived and we decided to put them in French school, which we did. Was the best thing we ever did, because who doesn't want to buy lingual child? And we started life in Canada. And what year with that? Do you think what we're with the timing? Oh, what year was it? Yeah, seventy eight. We are a nine. Okay, yeah, so we've been oh my gosh, so you've seen lots of stuff in sad yeah, so you didn't leave. It's funny. We kept saying, yeah, you know, after three years, if we don't, I we're got to Albert or we got to be see. But you know, we traveled across Canada, you know, like everyone does the trip from Quebec to BEC and you fly into Edmonton and you get rent the car and drive to BEC. We did all that. We didn't might be see people. Oh your love, be see. It's so British. Yes, it was, but it was like thirty five years old British, Oh snobby ways. We didn't like it. Every time we came up to co Quek and we said, wow, Quebec is so unique, it's so different and I love it. I love living in Quebec. You know, I've never had any problems. I've had jobs where I've made friends with many, many French Canadian people, even though my friend's appalling, and that's rhet that I have in life. My one sort of my challenging failure. You said you know what's your most challenging failure, and it's that that I never learned to speak French properly. I tried, but you know, by the time I we got to Switzerland, it was mainly it was all French and I was doing quite well. I took lessons and I got to know the French people because it was in Switzerland that we joined the church and of course, okay, it's people, and people said to us the English people in the Americans or you'll never make friends with the Swisslery. It closed. But we did made some wonderful friends. I had French lessons and I was doing well because it was only French. There was no outlet, it was totally French and I was doing quite well until I came to Quebec and I could watch TV in English again. Oh No, but you still haven't perfected your French yet. You still have time, I say yet, but that you did say what's your most challenging failure, and that's the French, because we came here we could watch TV and English again, we could listen to the radio in English. I had lots of English friends in the church, and so I failed dismally forever. Having said that, I have never been without a job in Quebec. Isn't that amazing? And I have.

That's great. I worked for a scientific companies, you know, bio research, in sin and Bellevue. I worked there for many, many years and of course the the language of science is English. So and I made lots of French Canadian friends and when I left I had the biggest compliment paid to me. One French Canadian girl said to me, you know, I never liked English, the English, but she said, after I met you, I changed my mind and I thought, Huh, you're like a representative for everybody was so nice and I burst into tears. I said, Oh my God, I don't even speak Frenched. You have so kind to me, you know, and she said no, no, you were so kind to me on my first day. You showed me where to go and you help me out and, you know, wished me good luck on my interview and she said, and you did it all in French, bad French, but you did it in French. It was so funny, but wonderful, Wonderful Life we've had here. I'm so that's great. And can you talk about what we talked about your failure? What about your success? What do you most well? I think what I'm most proud of is the fact that when we came here and we sent the boys to French school, they did all their elementary in French and they had a really good grounding and then we were able to send them to English high school because we work for an international company. That was the law at the time and you could be posted or you know, sent out of the province at any time, so you were allowed to send your child to school in your mother tongue. Plus, when we first arrived, which was as changed vastly, was the fact that everything was bilingual here in Quebec in the S. everyone we spoke to it the airport spoke English. Every sign was big French with English underneath, because I remember going to Eaton's and seeing and thinking, wow, I'll be able to learn French because everything's bilingual. And I don't know if you remember that time, but that was something that struck us. Yeah, well, I wasn't in the Quebec yet. I will, you know, Ontario at that point. I didn't get to Quebck in to one thousand nine hundred and eighty three. All right, to find out your story one day. Yeah, but what? Can you talk a little bit about some of the adventures you've had since Super Aved in Quebec? Well, yes, once again, we were still Mormons when we arrived and the Mormon Church then was in St Louis and point Claire, Saint Louis Avenue. I think it's now a Protestant church or no, a Baptist Church. Then they built a new church in Kirkland, but a regal. Originally it was the tiny little church in St Louis. We stayed in the Church for after we arrived here, at least five or six years, and then for some reason my husband didn't want to go anymore and I said, well, that's fine, you know, we're a free agents, but I'm going to keep going. I met some wonderful friends, lifelong friends, a particular couple in English, couple that we've known since we arrived, and they have now moved to Salt Lake City and that's one of the trips that I took because once I started doing my genealogy, which again was thanks to the Mormon Church, because genealogy is a big thing, I decided that we would go and visit them in Salt Lake City and we went and we visited a graveyard and my granddad is called Victor Personal, Victor Obray. Now, in that graveyard there were Oh bray's Galore. I could not believe how many of my family names were there. We visited a place called Paradise Salt Lake City that our friends took us to. I should have backed up really and told you what happened in Switzerland when the Mormon missionaries came to...

...visit us at our door and we invited them in. We were baptized into the church in Switzerland and there the boys in because they were English speaking and it was such a relief to be able to speak English, and they started talking about, you know, they came into what they called teaching and they were talking about the church and they were talking about Salt Lake City and I suddenly remember when I live with my grandparents, I used to take a letter to the post office for my grandfather and it was addressed as someone in Salt Lake City and in those days you had at the clumsy blue airmail paper that had to be weighed and measured and everything at the post office. So I know you if they remember those. Yes, yeah, so I took it down and get it weighed. On the way home I think, Oh, I must ask Granddad who he was writing to, or by the time I got homemarch forgotten anyway. So this, you know, this memory came back. So I said to the boys, so make city. So they said, well, who was he writing to? I said, well, I have no idea, I said, but I'll call him tomorrow. So I called my granddad and I said who was that lady you used to write to in Salt Lake City grants? He said, Oh, that was a second cousin of mine. Said really, what? How do you have a second cousin in Salt Lake City, which is a big Mormon place? Oh, I don't know, he said. You know what the Americans are like? They they love to do their geneology because they all believe that they come from, you know, Europe somewhere. So I said, oh, that's interesting. He said, actually, I've still got the letters that we exchanged. Would you like them? Ha Ha ha, that's great. Yes. Well, a week later this big package of letters arrived. I started reading them and I began to realize that my grandfather's uncle's they were all born in Wales, Pembrokeshire. They were all shipwrights and something to do with shipping and the Navy, that my grandfather's uncle had joined the Mormon Church when it was first established in the early eighteen hundred it had become a Mormon and had gone to Malta and had set up a missionary area in Malta. He was one of the first to bring the Church of Latter Day saints to Malta. And I'm reading all this and I'm showing it to the Mormon missionaries the next time they came and we're all getting excited. They said Wow, you've got a pioneer ancestry. So I said, well, how do you know? And they said, well, look at this. So they they showed me a family tree which I'd never seen before and they pointed out how on the right left side was Granddad's family and on the right were all these more months who in lived in by having that wonderful why Gosh, I got the chills. I'm still getting the chills now relating it because it was so exciting. So we started to delve into the genealogy and I continued when I came to Canada. We went to the Lachine family history center, which is open, you know, seven practically, while now it's open two or three times now because of covid. But everything there is free. Computers, people to help you do your genealogy if every want to go and you have no idea how to start or where to start. All the ancestry and all the big premiere genealogy sites are free at this lachine place. You said it's with she. I thought it was with Lasal. I Beg your pardon. It's Lasalle. Yes, okay, yeah, she was so out and thank you for correcting me. So we met our friends are because they at one point where they they ran it. They have the keys, and every Wednesday afternoon the four of us would go, we'd open up the offices and frequently it was just us, for not many people came, but we take our lunch and we do our...

...genealogy together and gradually I built up a picture of my grandfather's ancestors who were who were Mormons, who went over early, went over the planes, trecked over the planes from New York on horses and wagons and it was just it was just incredible to find all this out. Just wish that my grandparents, you know. I tried to tell them but they weren't. They were getting quite elderly then and they weren't that interested in it or and of course I had to put it on the boil when we on the back burner, when we first came to Canada, because I was looking for a job and by the time I got down to really doing the genealogy, my parent my grandparents, had cast away. So I regret not being able to tell them all this wonderful news about their ancestors. But I have a feeling they know anyway. Yeah, probably, I thought, because I know they're all baptized and there all together. So in whatever you like to call it, Heaven, paradise, you know, beyond the veil, I tend to believe that they know. So it was very elating. So when our friends moved to salt lakes it he could be with their family, we went down on a visit and we went to a place called Paradise, just outside of Salt Lake City, that this grant, this uncle, my great grand uncle, Grandfather's uncle, founded in the early eighteen hundreds and we went there for a day trip and before we went up to the cemetery we went into a restaurant and we said we ordered it and we've said, excuse me, do you know any old brays? And one of the girls said, Oh, yeah, Laura Oh bray works here, but she's not in today. We said really, you know, and they were still around. The old brays were still functioning in paradise. It there was a tiny little place, of course, but even so it was exciting to realize that no, no, I I'm so grateful for the Mormon Church because everything about genealogy and writing came from them, because when you join the Church they encourage you to journal, to make keep a journal of everything that happens, and you either few lines a day, and my friend she has years and years and years of journals so that when she passed away, her grandchildren can read about her daily activities. And I started when I wasn't as clever and good as her, but I've always written, so I kept my journal up until about I don't know, ten years ago and and I still am writing because now, of course, I'm on genealogy on Psalms and I can I can write about my ancestors. Lives on there, which is terrific. I mean it's but the Mormon Church I have a lot to thank for. I don't attend services anymore, but I do consider myself a friend of the church because I still do my indexing for them and I still, you know, talk about them whenever I can. And it's been a wonderful experience coming to Canada because and well, that sort of nicely leads into the last question, which you know, is that do you consider yourself a Canadian and if so, what does that mean to you? While I yes, we took Canadian citizenship three years after we arrived, so we were Canadian. However, I still went said I'm going home and I still call it home every year to visit friends and family. Well, my youngest son now lives there permanently. So all the years that we've lived here we have still gone home to England every year on us on a trip, except this year, of course. My last trip was last year and it's funny because I went to see my my son. We stay in with my son in London and I it's a silly little thing but it really stuck in my mind. I plugged my eye padding to the wall, went to bed,... up next morning, oh my goodness, it was dead. I didn't it charge. I said, oh my goodness, Owen, look my IPAD hasn't charged. So he looked at me, he walked over to the wall and he put the switch down and it was then I realized I'm not English anymore. I forgot that when you plug anything in in the UK you have to put the switch down to turn on the power. It's a word, just a small thing, but think and it just suddenly washed over me. My goodness, I'm not English anymore. This is this is ridiculous. I A simple thing like that. But there were other little telltel signs that I wasn't you know, stuff that Owen said, you know, we'll go and do this, and I'd say really, you mean you do that? You know type of thing it was. It was every time I went back for the past three years. There were signs that I didn't realize happened anymore in the UK, just little bits and bobs. But when that happened when I'd forgotten to put the switch down. I thought that's it, I'm not British anymore. And the other day I was out with a friend. We when we were miles from each other, of course, but we sat by the river in the fall and we were, you know, shouting at each other, talking and I said something here and she said, Oh, Oh, you're a real canadium. You just said you know what time is it, or a or whatever it was I said, and I said really, you know, and we were laughing about that. And then, of course, a year later I go to England and I forget to put the switch down because everyone conserves power that way at home. Every every power out there as a switch next to it and when it's up, the power isn't flowing. When it's down, the power is flowing, even when you plug in a kettle, when you plug in your vacuum cleaner, everything. That actually sounds like a smart way to be. And when they agree waste where? We waste quite a lot of power here. Yes, we do. That was one thing we noticed when we first arrived. We went downtown one night. Every single window in office blocks and shops was a was ablaze. With lights and we said, my goodness, don't they waste a lot of power here, because growing up at the end of World War Two in England shortages were acute, so everything was conserved water, power, food, clothing. We had to be very, very careful. And you know the differences when we came to Canada we're quite astounding. I remember I went shopping for a grocery shop and I took all my own bags with me and I got really peculiar looks. It was funny, oh my gosh, but you still did it. You still kept doing it. Right, yes, I did, because I was in arrist because they said, you know, paper, a plastic, and I'm looking to I'm thinking, what is he talking about? Also, in England we pack our own goods, you know. We it goes down on the conveyor belt and you stand at the end you pack them. Well, having someone saying paper or plastic and packing it for me, wow, this luxury indeed. It's. Well, we're heading the other way now. Actually, I don't think it. They don't think it's very off and now gets that packed for you anymore? That's right. It's all all sort of going back to the way it was in England when I left. Oh my gosh, was there anything that I didn't ask you that you had been helping to talk about? No, I don't think so. I think we've done it all. But that's me. If I had a favorite story, I yes, that's true. If do you and yes I do. The ones are about my grandma, because my grand's birth the family secret.

Turned out she was illegitimate and she didn't find out so she was about sixty five. That was a that was a heartrending thing because I was living with them still and we went on a day trip to see great grandma, her mother, and she needed her birth certificate because she wanted to be baptized into the Church of England because of course she'd never been baptized. She was a big member of the church and also she was coming up for sixty five and she needed her birth certificate to claim her old age pension in Britain. And we went up on the train to see great grandma and great grandma had never had much time. Is this okay? Am I? I'm not going out a bit on my okay. So great grandma had never had much time for my mother. She was always very cool and a bit costic towards mom and she didn't like me very much either. And the young as I was, I felt that children are aware, whether adults like them or not. I thought, well, a train trip, it's going to be great, you know, and I can see my cousins. So we had a wonderful day and on the way back we had the carriage, the train carriage, to ourselves and granny was sitting in the corner and I said, wasn't that a great day ground, I really enjoyed it, and she burst into tears. And I was only about thirteen and it was a shock to see my grannie crying. So I, you know, I put my arm around and I said, Graham, what's the matter? Are you okay? She's blue or nose bastard. Well, I was Oh no, I was astounded. I said what I mean? First of all, that word was, you know, a horrible word to use, and she said, I'm they never got buried and I'm about and I said what do you mean? So she told me that when she confronted her mother, Grandma Lilian, and asked for a birth certificate, she burst into tears and said, Oh my God, I hope that I'd be dead before you found out. And Grant said found out? What? And she said, you know, I you were legit it and when I got your birth certificate it had illegitimate stamped across it in you know big high capital letters. And she said, I ripped up the birth certificate and I threw it away and hoped I'd never have to confront it again. So she said, you know, I've lived too long and here you are finding out now. So gradually the story came out. She went out with a sailor. He left for sea and in those days they'd go to see for two three years at a time and her parents tried to trace him in the navy but they couldn't. I think they must have, because when he said he came home again, he contacted Grandma Lilian and they got married. So Grandma, yes, she was illegitimate for a few years, but she wasn't you know, the parents eventually got married to each other three years great, right, but wow it's dumb. I did the story and I found out that poor old granny was born in what they called a workhouse because because of the shame and what will the neighbors think, and all those things that people do and say. So grandma was born in the workhouse. I obtained her birth certificate and from there I thought, well, that would make an interesting story on genealogy, on Song. So I wrote it and called it the family secret. And Wow, how I what an emotional the credit was. It was. Yes, and then I the second one I wrote, which I am, you know, very happy with and you know, it's nice to sort of read it again, was called granny was in the rerends and my God, yes, I remember that one a she cut her hair off to join the rends and I still have that Plat of hair. Really, yes, and I put it in the story. I put there's a picture of her hair at the top of the story and it's all. I do remember that part. Yeah, it's Grandma's Plat, and Dorothy, another of our writers, Dorothy Nixon, said I should put that picture at...

...the top of the story and when I did, that's that really made it. It was you know, as I say, this is a wonderful group of women who give such, you know, criticism, but it's it's very, you know, positive criticism and it helps and it's wonderful I've had so yeah, I mean we you never stop growing as a raider. That's what I love about it. I means right, it's you can always it's a just an exploration all the time. You can always improve. Yes, I believe so too, and I and prove I have, with you and Janis and Dorothy helping and everybody's input. I mean, it's just amazing what we've what I've learned. And I started writing actually when I was quite young. I did a story when I was about eleven called Ad Interus holiday, was written on a on a little exercise book that my grant had bought me. So I was always sort of writing little stories, but it wasn't until I joined this group that I really blossomed into, you know, being able to write underline in vited Carus, because, I mean I'd always written in my journal, like I said, right, yeah, dear, but not for publication, not for publication. I was so nervous, like well, and now you're doing it all the time. I mean, and it's wonderful. It's a wonderful group of people and it is a wonderful group of people. I really really enjoy the group and actually I have a link to Dorothy's podcast to because I've already interviewed her and I've already integroup interviewed Mary as well. So eventually we'll have all seven podcasts available. It's so. But sure, eight, because I'm sorry, eight, but not me. She's I'm here. I might every single one. Yes, but you're not talking about you. That's the difference. You say you. I know I do talk about me on some of them. It because I do a little excerpt at the beginning and I also have some podcasts that are just about my untwi creative entrepreneurial journey. All wonderful. Yeah, unapologetically Canadian. That's truck. Yeah, yeah, that's the unapologetically Canadian. Is The podcast. You can listen to it on any podcast thing. I'll send you the like. Mean will you'll get the link because you'll have your podcast, but you can go back and listen to any of them all sometime. There's now you'll be number I don't remember. I think you'll be number fifty or something like that. Anyway, I just published the forty seven today. Oh amazing. Wow. Yeah, it's very fun then, and not everybody's a genealogist. Some people are other creative entrepreneurs, some people are marketing experts, some people are financial experts. Basically, I'm trying to to interview everybody who is basically a creative entrepreneur in one sense or another, for in Canada it's all. And then I I've interviewed somebody about about Canada itself too. Well, that sounds interesting. I must listen to them because, let's face it, everyone loves to talk about themselves. Don't lie, they do. Thank you very much and I'm just going to stop the recording, but stay on for another second, couple seconds. Okay, thank you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your tongue. You're welcome, so real pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for listening to an apologetically Canadian. Please consider supporting our podcast Fort UN hundred and ninety nine a month joint select listeners and get additional episodes every month.

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